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Thursday, January 19, 2012
BROWN, BLACK, AND WHITE: As we bask in the self-satisfied afterglow of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, I am reminded of the early brilliance I exhibited in being born white. I understand that since King put an end to racism in the United States, having a pale pigmentation no longer offers quite the leg up it did before he led all his marches nearly 50 years ago. We are no longer immune, for example, to such existential realities as gravity and friction. But pound for pound and ounce for ounce, being born of the Caucasian persuasion remains perhaps the single shrewdest business decision I ever made. Yes, making fun of white people has become a cottage industry among stand-up comedians. And no, not all of us are like Mitt Romney. Even as we are forced to endure the slings and arrows of such cruel stereotypes, white people know they will always get the last laugh. That’s because we live longer. And we make more money, too. When white people are born, it’s not just expected they will succeed; it’s assumed. Given that most of us go through stretches where we couldn’t find our own ass — even with the aid of a GPS — that’s huge.
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The other big advantage, it turns out, is that white people don’t break the rules as much as other people. I guess we’re just more honest. How else do you explain the Santa Barbara School District’s revelation this week that Latino males are expelled at twice the rate of their Anglo counterparts and suspended three times as often? For Latina females, the differential is even greater: six to one when it comes to suspensions and four to one with expulsions. In years past, we might have attributed such glaring statistical discrepancies to some insidious form of ethnic profiling. But since Martin Luther King put an end to such vile practices, we know it has to be something else. The School Board is struggling with just what that might be, and I wish them the best of luck. I know I’ve been struck by the same thing. Every time I sit in Judge Brian Hill’s courtroom, I am amazed at how so many of the criminal defendants happen to have brown skin and last names ending with a vowel. I find this coincidence both astonishing and mystifying. The cops, I know, are color-blind. Hell, the chief is a Latino and so are many of his top commanders. I also know Santa Barbara’s prosecutors are color-blind, too. Hell, our District Attorney is such a screaming liberal she used to work for Head Start.
I sure hope the school district figures out how it is that Latino kids are more prone to smoke pot and use drugs — as the disciplinary statistics clearly demonstrate — than their pale-faced peers. Not that I would ever notice such things as skin color, but anyone taking a casual stroll down “Loadie Lane” by Santa Barbara High School would be struck by the statistical over-representation of Anglos among the stoners that congregate under their ubiquitous cloud of smoke. But that must be a statistical anomaly. It must be what they call the exception that proves the rule. It would have been illuminating had the school district presented a similar statistical breakdown tracking which of their students drop out, which ones graduate, and which ones go on to college according to ethnic origin. I have a hunch the same pattern of coincidence would prevail. And while entirely unrelated, I also have a hunch this phenomenon — whatever it is — might help explain the statistical under-representation of Latinos among the waitstaff of Santa Barbara’s more expensive restaurants. But then again, I never did that well in math.
White people, as everybody knows, hate taxes more than just about anything else. And it turns out that we’re paying a lot of these taxes to keep people locked up. It just happens that a lot of the people locked up happen not to be white. Again, not being good with statistics, I don’t know how that happens. In 1980, we had half-a-million people behind bars in the United States. By 2009, it was 2.3 million. And although I am constantly told by law-enforcement officials that hardly anybody is behind bars because of simple drug possession, I am struck by the fact that the explosion of our prison population just happened to coincide with the federal government’s all-out declaration of War on Drugs.
Michelle Alexander, an Ohio State law professor who just wrote a book, The New Jim Crow, stated that if the United States were to return to the pre–War on Drugs rate of incarceration, we’d have to release 80 percent of the people behind bars. When you calculate the $50,000 a year it takes to lock someone up, that’s a lot of taxes for white people to be mad about. Likewise, Alexander estimated if we returned to the pre-War number of prison employees, about a million people would be out of work.
Much has been written on how the get-tough-on-crime laws have had a disproportionate impact on Latinos and African Americans. How was it, people asked, that the sentence for using crack cocaine — an inner-city drug — was so much more severe than using cocaine — a more suburban recreational escape? The politicians pushing such laws have explained they were seeking only to protect populations most victimized by crime and drug addiction. That may be. But when you consider that in California, Latinos are incarcerated at twice the rate as Anglos, and African Americans eight times as often as that, then maybe the cure is out of control. Or maybe that’s just another statistical coincidence I don’t understand.
In the meantime, I’m not saying Martin Luther King Day is a sham holiday. But I’m really curious why it is we never hear about any Martin Luther King Day sales.
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(Part one of two)
OK, I guess it's up to ME to take the bate, or maybe, (with all due respect) you really don't know. Here goes..
Two countries side by side, one has a very high standard of living, the other a low standard of living. We know which countries I'm talking about so I'll dispense with the analogy. Mexico is a political dystopia of corruption, totalitarianism, and poverty, and is more than happy to get rid of its impoverished dark-skinned people. (It's also very racist--just look at the light-skinned people on its soap operas or in Spanish "telenovelas".)
Because of our proximity to Mexico, it's very easy for people to come in here; with the "push" factor of poverty down there, lots of people come here. The "pull" factor is the promise of jobs--however low-paying and degrading--that are offered up here by greedy employers who hate labor unions and safety codes. Add to this the generous benefits of "affordable housing" offered by our government. The "nudge-nudge-wink-wink" message of our politicians is "come in the right way but if you do walk in illegally then we won't throw you out if you're willing to put up with abuses that those pesky labor reformers worked so hard to do away with".
billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 4:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
(part two of two)
Add to this the fact that unlike every other ethnic group on the planet, Latinos/Hispanics/Mexican immigrants are encouraged not to acquire the main thing one needs to have to get ahead in ANY country: literacy. Everything is spoon-fed to them in Spanish by people who insist that any of us who dare to question this are "racist" while they themselves argue that unlike every other ethnic group on the planet, Latinos simply cannot be expected to overcome the language barrier. So begins the self-fulfilling prophecy of "la cadena perpetua" (the endless cycle) of low test scores, dropout rates, and criminal behavior. Anybody with two functioning brain cells knows that if you have low expectations of a child, the kid will have low self esteem. The parents face these same low expectations when they come to the U.S. and see everyone else learning English, while they are told by patronizing paternalistic people "no se ocupen, estamos aqui ayudarles" (don't worry, we're here to help you) So with parents who don't fit into the culture, the kids get a double-dose of low self esteem. Also, the paradox is that we are getting the least educated/poorest people of Mexico moving to the part of the country with the highest cost of living.
What is interesting is that people will say it's racist to not support bilingual services, yet often they themselves won't learn Spanish (or maybe a token few words to make themselves look like good compassionate Progressives) In other words, since they support a system which guarantees that many of these immigrants won't learn English, and they refuse to learn Spanish, they prove that in reality, they have no interest in truly getting to know the people they claim to represent.
I'm glad that you invoke Martin Luther King in this discussion because what HE was for was A: An integrated society, and B: A society where those of historically oppressed Demographics could achieve parity with the white race. Sadly, the apostate form of civil rights known as multiculturalism which is widely supported in the Democratic Party and the academic world ensures that neither of these things happen. As the saying goes "even the road to hell is paved with good intentions". The "civil rights" movement of today isn't the civil rights movement for which King sacrificed his life.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow. I was going to reply to Nick's observations, but Bill Clausen has done so very thoroughly and thoughtfully. Anyone looking to add anything further should just reread what Bill C. says above.
zappa (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe, just maybe, the Anglo kids are better behaved (ooohhh, racist...)
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And sad to think that almost all of the excellent points in Bill Clausen's posts - and there were many - never even crossed Nick's mind. How about some percentages on the demographic makeup at school parent meetings, on the number of parents actively/nightly assisting or monitoring homework assignments, attending "back to school" nights, helping with school fundraisers, etc. etc. This will sound crazy to someone like Nick, but I'll bet those stats just might impact the others.
Scooter (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's so easy to take a statistic and make whatever you want from it. Latino males are expelled at a higher rate. Discrimination therefore must be the cause.
Asians attend college at a higher rate than any other race. So therefore we assume it's either because of discrimination or a privileged upbringing.
One line assumptions are just so easy to make but often lack basis in fact. The reality is that the reasons are much more complex than some wish to admit.
Botany (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Drug War is and always has been a war on people of color and the poor. Now it's become also a revenue stream for local DAs and prisons. The first major problem, first and foremost is the War on Drugs which fuels a violent black market, has corrupted our justice system, and deters people with abuse issues for seeking treatment. It's also contributed to poverty and homelessness, in many states and municipalities a conviction for something as simple as a single joint prevents licensing, voting, educational aid ect ect.
The Reagan Administration ballyhooed this war to win an election by appealing to racists in the south (and other areas.)
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bill C. makes some very rational and sound points. In my view, what he left out was the reason why failure to fully integrate into the dominant society leads to behavioral problems. If a teenage human does not have a vision (or hope) of gaining status in a traditional manner (i.e., go to school, study hard, start at the bottom and work your way up, etc.) he or she will start to look for other, non-traditional, ways to gain status among peers and feel valued and successful. Gang culture provides this alternative and brings with it all kinds of behaviors that are forbidden (or at leasted frowned upon) by the dominant society. Also, teenage drug use is a combination of thrill-seeking behavior (very natural regardless of culture, race, or ethnicity) and self-medication to take the edge off the pressures associated with our status needing brains. I'm not sure why Latinos would get caught with drugs at higher rates, but finding drugs may be secondary to being questioned regarding other behaviors that the Anglo kids are not participating in. This is all a very serious problem and we need to figure out a way to give all teenagers a vision of a future full of opportunity for accomplishment, success, and status. Without such a vision, they will seek out these things in behaviors we do not like.
Eckermann (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Think about it folks, any Latino from South of the US / Mexico border who was educated and legal would be attempting to enter our Country the same way the rest of our fore-Fathers did in the last Century, Passport, Green Card (from Imigration, not East LA), Citizenship. Bill C. got it right, only the poor, iignorant and uneducated enter our Counrty Illegally but according to the: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usci...
Is allowing more of our MS-13 Gang bangers across the border as a show of Obamaism and Political sheltering, Oh Pity the cops, the ones they just sent back can now come back under Political asylum.
dou4now (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
An ignorant lie, Mr. "dou4now."
TPS for some El Salvadorans was originally enacted in 2001, seven years before Obama took office.
Chester_Arthur_Burnett (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe the majority of the problem is... `I feel native, so I don't have to try as hard.'
The most native types of people in the US are blacks and latinos... most `whites' have an immigrant ancestor who arrived after 1850. Most blacks in the US (with notable exceptions like Colin Powell and Barack Obama) have a most recent immigrant that came earlier than 1800.
The longer your family is here, the more relaxed you get. Decimating if you are also poor... and there are *plenty* of poor white people in the US who feel very native... remember, numerically more whites are on Food Stamps, etc.
It is just that as a fraction of the total, more whites get the `non-native immigrant boost' than any other race... except... Asian people... the immigrant boost is largest for them... most of the Chinese men who came in the 1850's weren't allowed to marry whites or bring over women to marry. So the Chinese feel super-non-native and motivated.
And going back... many of the most motivated black communities are recent African immigrants, Jamaican immigrants, etc.
So the Mexican immigrants feel too comfortable, just like many poor whites, and some blacks, `cause they've been on this Continent forever. Literally... many of the Mexican immigrants have significant Native American ancestry.
Generalizations are not perfect... there are plenty of super-motivated recent Mexican immigrants, as well as super motivated longtime black american people (Michelle Robinson/Obama, Oprah Winfrey, etc.). It is not race that matters, but when a group of people has a smaller fraction of recent immigrants in their background, that a larger fraction of that group starts to slack off and go criminal (*including* some poor whites).
BTW, when I first started reading billclausen, I thought the 2 countries were... Canada (rich one) and US (the poor violent one).
sevendolphins (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anglo (White) kids having it better than those of us of "color"? Wigga PULEEZE!
Nick, you poor, self-hating White guy, please pay a visit to my home town of Hialeah, FL & take the time to actually hang out & learn something.
That town (now a city) while predominantly Cuban, had it's White population & believe me, they weren't any better off than us Cubans.
The White kids were just as prone as the Cuban kids to get in trouble & pull off shenanigans.
Of course, now you're probably going to say the same thing UCSB's "El Congreso" once said to me way back in 1987: "You Cubans aren't true Latinos." TALK ABOUT BLATANT RACISM!
Comes down to simple stats, something the "progressives" fear w/ a passion.
Mexicans are the predominant Latino population in the area, they also happen to have a higher population presence.
So it you got a place w/ say 1000 people (just to keep it simple), 50% are "Latino" & the other 50% are White each group will have a 10% criminal margin & you'll have 100 Latino criminals along w/ 100 White criminals.
Up the Latino population to say, 75% (750 people) & the White population to 25% (250 people) & what you get is 750 Latino criminals & 250 White criminals.
Crime knows no color & for anybody to say it does is simply racist. But it is just as racist to deny that the majority of the Latino kids in the area are having the bar lowered to meet some "progressive" activist's expectations of success.
So there they go again, saying the same message as a nazi skinhead racist slimeball: "I know you Latinos have it rough because of Whitey so let us help you by lowering the bar of society because we White folks know that you'll never be able to succeed on your own." Thanks a lot "progressives" for making us seem like a bunch of idiots, keep up the great work :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oops on the simple stats! Got confused while typing (pesky office mate), the actual # of Latino criminals in scenario 1 is 50 & White criminals would be 50 also, scenario 2 it would be 75 latino criminals & 25 White criminals.
I suffer from EDPS (Easily Distracted Person Syndrome), especially when the person distracting me is my boss (not because I'm Latino) :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"BTW, when I first started reading billclausen, I thought the 2 countries were... Canada (rich one) and US (the poor violent one)."
Actually such a thought isn't unreasonable.
I will add some follow up comments. Per Dou4now's post about who enteres legally vs. illegally, I would add that the well-off people in Mexico generally stay down there so due to the physical proximity of the U.S. to Mexico, it stands to reason that the desperate people would be the ones the U.S. is getting. Who would want to uproot and move to another country unless things were really bad in their country of origin. With overseas countries, the cost of getting here by plane or boat is what keeps the poorest from coming here so as a result since the ones who already have money are the ones who come here, their education levels will often be higher than the average American.
@Eckermann: I see your point about kids needing indentity so they join gangs. This cause is two-fold: These kids are neither "fish nor foul" as the adage goes. They aren't really American since their parents are often not assimilated into the culture, but they are not really Mexican since they were raised in the U.S. Add to that the fact that their parents are usually working two to three jobs and are simply not around to raise them, and thanks to the well-intended (?) changes the Social Engineers of the '60's brought to our public school system,. the schools cannot discipline kids so it's no wonder the discipline problem is out of control. Down in Mexico, kids are far more respectful of parental authority since the political correctness of touchy-feely childrearing hasn't taken hold down there.
@Ken_Volok: I agree that another way to effect a solution to this problem would be to re-legalize drugs. It wouldn't address the other points I've raised, but in and of itself your suggestion being implemented would help.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I read this article I thought of several things immediately, the Chinese slaves that built the California railroads and had the very first anti drug laws passed in America against them, they got passed that. The Japanese internment camps, they got passed that. The people of dark melatonin have not gotten passed anything. Maybe it’s their attitude or social decorum, which works the people you say are adversely busted, that gets “them” in trouble. I would say that the Mexican American War still has a lot of descendants that want to take back the territory owned now by the United States. White kids, they don’t have to get past much. Like where are you from? Even the Native Indigenous North American People have gotten past it. The Hawaiian’s got screwed. When the Human Genome project was done they took a random sampling of people from all over the globe. A full blooded Crow Indigenous North American male was directly related to a red hair white female clan from Scotland that had migrated from Africa 10,000 or so years ago. So you see, the white people are really black. They just don’t have the dark melatonin to say that they are descants from Africa, when we all are.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some really good posts here, esp billclausen. Also a rather pitiful attempt to pull the old racist BS by Ken_Volok.
If I choose rice over beans, then I must be a racist because Latinos eat beans.
If I choose beans over rice, then I must be a racist because Asians eat rice.
OR MAYBE I JUST PREFER ONE OR THE OTHER. Not everything is about race, but some people try to make it so.
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In addition to the fact that discrimination in quantification and qualification of data of drug related crimes, well beyond that of drug use, are not currently in a data base that is organized enough for an apprentice to qualify. On the steet you get .10 cents on a dollar for stolen items to keep a habit going, even if it’s alcohol. So a twelve pack of beer that retails for $12 it would take $120 dollars of trade to a “pawn” to buy that 12 pack.
The FBI violent crime report is based on crime statistics reported only the most violent crime committed in a string of violent crimes. So if there was a rape and a homicide the rape would not be in the statistics. Now they are going to report all the violent crimes in the statistical data, so it will look like a spike in violent crime. This kind of statistical data gathering knowledge is tedious to gather; to get real valuable information. Next year there will be a much easier way for the apprentice student of criminology to gather valuable information; to report on.
Drugs enslave people. There are more slaves now in the USA than ever. They are from here, South America, Tahiti, China and the south eastern bloc Europe and new states of the old USSR. That the people who have dark melatonin are being picked on by cops is ridiculous compared to the people that are slaves here in the USA now. Laborers, domestic help, sex slaves, baby makers, human pets; all held at the threat of death if they try to leave. So many don’t even know what state they are in.
I’m sure that I have offended some one again. However, these are the facts.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For Hank: A Cuban emigre, on requesting entry to the U.S., is asked to use the colors Green, Pink, and Yellow in a sentence. After some thought, he replies: "The phone Green, so I Pink it up and say 'Yellow?'"
White people live to work. Latinos work to live. That is a Latino saying. If you grow up in a Latino family and own a body shop, you are macho. Your white friend, who may be a physicist, is a celebrity when you bring him around. If you, as a Latino, study physics, you're a freak.
The Latino people have the same sense of "place" that lower class whites had for centuries. It takes time to change, but it's happening.
rambler (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: We are all Africans. Well duh! All humans migrated from the African continent. However, at some point, various communities became isolated from each other and continued the processs of evolution in response to very different environments. The reduction in melatonin difference is simply an adaptation to living in places with less sunlight and the need for the skin to produce vitamin D from sunlight. Those of us decendant from people who lost nearly all their pigment in order to maximize the production of vitamin D now have to slather on the sunscreen in order to avoid skin cancer. People make more of a deal about "whiteness" than it deserves.
Eckermann (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It’s estimated that 40% of property crimes were reported to the police in 2010. These percentages have remained stable over the past 10 years; I doubt that. There has been a pay out by insurance companies of over 3 billion dollars; which equals a mere 6000 prisoners incarcerated for an equal amount at $50,000 a year. However it is 12 Billion dollars when added together. This does not include the time absent from work or the depreciation of the value of the items stolen from the victims. Regardless of who the thieves are, a burglary is estimated by the APA, to have the same psychological affect as rape. Therefore this is a violent crime. Burglars are overwhelmingly drug users. Therefore drug offenders are violent.
The color of the skin and the consequence on society as a whole is benign to the victim who has to overcome the intrusion into their lives and put it back together. Victims buy car alarms, guns and home security systems as well as closed circuit surveillance so they can feel safe.
When I was a kid everyone knew their neighbors well and it was friendly. People seldom say hello when passing on the street. My point is, no one really cares until they are a victim.
These same criminals are heavily involved in identity theft and fraud. Who cares about your melatonin when your laptop has been stolen, car broken into or your house ransacked for your valuables. The social economic stress and the disregard of long held norms and standards are fading.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 19, 2012 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Maybe, just maybe, the Anglo kids are better behaved (ooohhh, racist...)"
-- JohnLocke
Way to miss the point entirely. Your truism is well established ... and worthless regarding knowing why and how to fix the problem.
SezMe (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 1:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The header says BROWN, BLACK, AND WHITE. It really does not get any more racist than that. This was written by a progressive too. All these far left nut jobs care about is skin color. A person's skin color has nothing to do with their identity. Racism is dead in America, It should be called Culturism. There is a huge difference between the way a person acts and the color of their skin. All the left wing crowd focuses on is the color of a person's skin. So who are the real racists?
DanVac (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 1:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks as usual bc.
This article by APD was particularly shallow and poorly thought out; maybe Nick was(secretly) too occupied looking over his shoulder for Latino gangbangers to let his brain settle into some actual diligence.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"We are all Africans."
"You're NOT black."
Shallow and on the race card, well done; Expected.
No more entitlements. Like "phonics" did I spell that rite?
In ancient Greece there was a word for teacher, didaskalos, depending on the accusative tense of that word it was used for parents teaching their children (literally having ultimate authority over them), women teaching younger women about womanhood and the role of the pastor teacher.
The solution is in the home five dolphins. When immature parents in adult bodies act like children the children have nothing to aspire to. In the formative years of youth they have cartoons as role models then later professional athletes; both of whom have shown a greater level of diminished character as the years go by. The television and DVD movies are still bringing kids up among these inattentive people. However, no entitlements to them, or their children maybe a penalty is the answer.
We have de-neutered parents authority at home and teacher’s authority at school. The Welfare and Institution Code are very clear that it is still okay to spank your kid. However, parents are afraid to use corporal punishment, because their kid will call the cops, or just don’t believe in it. Oh, but those soccer moms and YFL dads let their kids take a beating on the field.
Talk a pediatric sports surgeon about the injuries.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Seriously it really gets me how some commentators think by impugning Mr. Welsh' journalism they've somehow made a point. Stop posting anonymously and maybe your comments might have some credibility.
For those unfamiliar with newspaper formats, Angry Poodle Barbecue is what is called an Op-Ed. People who write these often present both their opinion and as Mr. Welsh has done, facts and observations that support it. With most civilized people this provokes a discussion (i.e. Mr. Clausen's comments) and too often on these pages, displays of ignorance, hatred and fear.
What kind of professor publishes anonymously anyways?
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A blog is not a publication. It is a public format for an exchange of opinions. Journals, Articles, Studies, and in some cases Master Thesis and PhD Doctoral papers are published for purchase. There are very few professional writers that do writing for free.
This format is engaging. Being anonymous allows the reader to check the veracity of the factual information on their own. Anyone that would follow the course of a professor without sifting out opinion from fact is a neophyte; or a regurgitation machine.
You can look up the information on the slant on incarcerated people in municipal jails, state prisons and federal penitentiaries. When it comes to juvenile criminal statistics it is much more difficult to measure because of their right to privacy and the willingness of the criminal justice system to try rehabilitation in a system that does not collect the offenses. Closed season juvenile court where other young adults, high school teens, are the jury. The offenses are expunged after community service or a fine for restitution.
Why does it matter if “some blogger” wishes to remain anonymous? This is not about status or deference to rank in seeking approbation from others.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The SB Independent is a publication, in print (meaning on paper JW) and online (via computer). APB has been a column for decades. Bloggers generally don't have any journalism background or training; journalists from the Independent who cover the hard news do.
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why does it matter if “some blogger” wishes to remain anonymous? This is not about status or deference to rank in seeking approbation from others.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 20, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
These comments aren't blogs, they are comments on news articles. Despite the best efforts of both parties we still don't live in a Totalitarian state, we still have freedom of speech. And of coures that means people are free to use a pseudonym but pseudonyms and crackpot statements, accusations and generally uncivil, disrespectful behavior seem to go hand in hand. I think many of the anonymous commentators are actually ashamed of their words and behavior and thus don't want to take credit for such.
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 21, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am in agreement with Ken. The crackpots he describes are anonymous trolls who simply attack others but offer no solutions. By no means do I imply that those who comment anonymously lack credibility--and the majority of anonymous commenters are reasonable folks, but the haters and self-righteous types are those who tend to use pseudonyms.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 21, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bill,
Pseudonym or not I think that you can smell a dairy farm a mile away.
Once again this discourse seems to have become aimless. However it has come full circle, that someone needs to be labeled, is maybe indeed Ken’s point. Whether it is by color or name there has to be an attachment to a prejudice.
I wish to remain anonymous in good deeds of charitable giving whenever possible as well. There is no shame in that.
The crack pots can give their opinions, we don’t have to accept them if we choose not to.
Free speech is good and I say amen to that!
The best thing of all is that here, we are not in a room interrupting each other, everyone gets a turn.
jw (anonymous profile)
January 21, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
?Because this is an Op_Ed piece it cannot be criticized for being shallow and poorly thought out?
?Only comments from public commenters can be valid?
Perhaps we should have all elections be public so that we can identify the validity of the vote of each individual.
APD throws out the fact that more kids of color get into trouble as de facto proof positive that this is a racist environment. Under any paradigm of logic you cannot prove that point of view.
70%+ of black males in poor parts of Los Angeles drop out of high school; does this mean that they are unfairly being banned from showing up for classes or is this another sad statistic for which there is not obvious and easy solution?
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
January 22, 2012 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would believe that the problem begins in the home not in the hearts of administrators. Insecure parents create insecure children. These insecure children create children of entitlement, that generation elects insecure politicians who promise them the entitlements. This entitlements cause dependence on government to fix things. Therefore, creating a larger government, and then enslaving the people to it, leading people away from freedom; to socialism and tyranny in the end. This is not about race it is about socioeconomics, anthropology of street gangs and the dilapidated dangerous neighborhoods in which a school system is supposed to find a way to matriculate qualified high school students.
I am sure you have read THE BLACKBOARD JUNGLE. It was a social commentary in 1955. This has been made into a movie several times and variations of it. The sitcom WELCOME BACK CARTER was theme based on the same social issues.
This is not about race it is about socioeconomics, anthropology of street gangs and the dilapidated dangerous neighborhoods in which a school system is supposed to find a way to matriculate qualified high school students. Who wants to teach kids whose parents no not hold them responsible, they hold you responsible for their kid?
jw (anonymous profile)
January 22, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Problem number 1:
Many minorities learn, from the time they enter this society, how to game the system for free services. Listen to Spanish speaking radio. Listeners are coached on the ins and outs of social services. So where is the motivation to independently succeed?
Problem number 2:
The bi lingual education programs at our public schools are horrible. I enrolled my daughter in the Carpinteria district bi lingual program hoping to introduce her to a new culture and language. Big mistake. The teachers directed 90% of the class content to the latino kids, leaving my daughter in the dark most of the time. Also, my daughter studied very hard to get into the gate program but was denied because the gate program had to be proportionally populated with the correct percentage of latinos to whites. (in 1995 it was approx. 65% latino). To say the bilingual program is needed is a crock.
Problem 3:
Many latinos think they own California and they have the right to return it back to Mexico. Talk to many gang vatos and they will tell you this is their Califas.
Problem 4:
Latinos are encouraged to "keep it brown". I read the local Spanish print papers. There are many racist comments. It would be great to publish these comments in English for all to see.
I could go on but you get the idea....
ramoncramon (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The disease of racism knows no color.
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2012 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
@ramoncramon: Back in the 1990's, it came out in the local press (I believe the News-Press) that Franklin School had eighth-grade students who had been attending that school since first grade and *still* were not English-proficient. At a school board meeting I attended on the subject of "bilingual" education, one man who identified himself as a Santa Barbara elementary school teacher compared ending bilingual education to "Hitler's Final Solution". One of my old high school buddies got into a big fight with his daughters' school because they were sending her home with schoolwork in Spanish. They assumed it was necessary because of her Mexican features and Spanish surname. The problem is, my friend doesn't speak Spanish.
I also have read various Spanish-language newspapers and some of them present an ethnocentric view where they feel that strength in numbers is more important than lifting oneself up through literacy.
I could go on but you get the idea...
billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)